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I do not only hear a pioneer in the field, but one who knows the subject from both sides

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of the coin.

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He is a former Air Force Intelligence Officer, as well as writer of the historically interesting

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Word of the Footage.

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Yes, here it is.

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In this book here are all of his publications that were the first of their kind, Orbit and

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Crickle.

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They are all bound in this book.

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And these are really history today.

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Not only that, he also wrote Three Zero Blue, which I can't hold up because of the car,

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and the new hardback book, Situation Red, which was beautifully covered by our own Carol

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Kovacs last year.

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And in Dayton on the 29th of July, this author will release the most exciting, true UFO story

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I've told.

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But right now, please join me in welcoming my very good friend, Mr. Leonard H. Stratford.

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Well, as you all know, I'm guilty of this.

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I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a lawyer.

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I'm guilty of this.

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And I'm guilty of this.

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I'm guilty of this.

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I'm guilty of this.

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I'm guilty of this, because this was not the agency I was processes.

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And other thank-you.

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And other thank-you.

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I'm guilty of this.

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I'm guilty of this.

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I'm guilty of this.

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I'm guilty of this.

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I'm guilty of this.

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Tell something else.

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And Whoo?

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Or I feel horrible.

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And I feel horrible.

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Let's apologize.

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They've evaluations in the TV set tonight for watching a project you're about.

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Then based on decoration?

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In these other episodes, have stories in the book about how nice they were with all

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the people that they interviewed in their case.

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And I feel rather horrible, unless they apologize.

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I feel rather horrible.

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TV Syriqs, they weren't always quite that diplomatic about animal affairs during their

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interrogations, suited the UFO, handling of the subject with the public, and their rather

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inglorious demise in the content project. I was fortunate or unfortunate to have worked

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with the content project as a field investigator for the Tri-State area. I knew some of the

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inner workings of the accountant group, and I cannot say that I worked with them in any

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degree of pride, but I did learn some. And all the past experiences, whatever they may

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have been, including my working with the Air Force back for three years in the early 50s,

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operating under a code name Poctroquillo 30 Blue, where I was asked to report to Air

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Defense Command from the Ohio Hall UFO activity in our area that I considered worth reporting

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and worth what I sent them was based on my screening, my knowledge at the time of what

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a real UFO might be. And I must say that it resulted in a number of calls I'd made to

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them in those three years, that there were occasions when the jets were sent up to stranded

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and then pursued the UFO. At that point I was told, not in writing, but by an Air Force

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officer that I was never to ask any questions. Of course, at that time, in the first sense,

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I realized that what they had learned from the pursuit was maintained as a heavy classification,

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usually secret. So I had through the many, many years, many ups and downs, all sorts of

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experience with the UFO situation. So with all that information, I guess that's quite

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really prompt for me to put it down in sort of a memory bank and situation red. Tonight,

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I actually, a couple days ago, knowing that I would be here and talking to a research

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officer, I wondered, just, Bubba, would I relate to those of you who knew the subject? I knew

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I couldn't bubble or you, and so I would be speaking to a Sunday school group that could

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tell them almost anything and they'd leave. And I realized, here I can't fool you, so

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I'd be very careful what I say. But I have something to say. And the reason for this

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is the paper that I have prepared and working on for several months, very elegantly, is

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so retrievals of the third time, and its concerns in my belief the hardware, the officials,

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the air force, the hiding from the public, is in the many, many years. And that would

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also include the octopus. I dared to publish some of this in my book, some basic knowledge

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that I had. At that time, I could not prove what I've been looking at.

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I thought it sounded pretty good because it came from a lot of sources.

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Of course, when the book was published by Double Day and it got out on a national basis,

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the additional information started to sneak my way from various sources that had treated

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the information that had there several years and very carefully was related to me, which

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worked up my ears.

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I became concerned.

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I thought, well, the British subject has been taboo in research from practically its inception.

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It was released to a book written by Frank Scully behind the client's saucers back in 1950.

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It is now my belief that the book was a contrived book with their own purpose to reduce or subdue

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the interests of researchers such as myself in those early years, referring to anyone who

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would dare bring up this type of thing in serious research where we lack rather the business

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generally referred to as the little green man and so forth and so on.

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In other words, an atmosphere was created by certain authorities to keep the subject

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played down in a neighborhood we all know very, very successful until Springfield decided

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to do something else a few months ago and it opened up a whole new can of worms.

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So what I've done taught and I prepared to relate to you this evening.

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I tore the whole thing up yesterday.

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I said, there's no use in trying to address any elite groups of you with more UFO sightings,

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like Colonel Light's Close Encounters, that's where all of them have been published, retold,

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they're all quite aware of the, we all know who's doing research, we all know what the

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research is doing, groups are doing, they're bad.

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We've heard all the theories.

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So why should I get up here and waste your time tonight with the twice-told tales?

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There are at least 2,000 books on the market and they'll all say the same thing.

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At this point, I'm going to get right to the point.

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I have no trim, no pat, part of an expression, no crap.

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I think it's time for truth and when I read my 53-page report, again entitled,

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The Trebles of the Third Kind, I think perhaps you'll realize what I'm trying to relate.

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I think the data that I have within 17 abstracts in my paper from information I gather from

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what I consider to be very reliable sources should open the eyeballs of somebody.

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If the mass media is there attending and they've all been invited, they know the subject,

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title of the subject, they're there to truly be objective, they will listen to me and

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report accordingly, they'll be a good test.

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So what I'm about to read, it's a very, very pleading, very sensitive subject.

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Now, a warning to you tonight, when I speak with some of these matters in this subject,

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I can only tease you because I cannot reveal at this time the contents of my paper which

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will be revealed on July 29th and the day before, as you will probably all know, the view on

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the subject is opposing to an annual affair and each year a city is picked and this year

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propitiously it's taken right next to Wright Patterson Field and that is the sensitivity

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varied indeed.

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I gave it some thought before I actually started to work on this self-assignment.

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I knew it was sensitive, I knew I had certain bits of information in mind to use and in

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time other parts and pieces of this type of information reached me which encouraged me.

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I came to a point, really should I do it or not?

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I knew that it could either be in the end glorified, sanctified or vilified when I was

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truly or canonized for a man.

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I decided I've gone this far in my life having had my own experience with UFOs and a plane

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that almost crashed and it was all of them UFOs.

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I lived through that.

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I lived through 28 years of ups and downs of research and those of you who have been in

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that long or even less know what it can do to you and I've held up under that although

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my wife might disagree.

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But anyway, I survived it all and I thought, well, let's tackle the big one.

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Here's my slant song, here's my big challenge.

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To really go into this all the way and I did.

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I pushed everything else aside to concentrate on this one endeavor to collect as much good

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solid information possible from the best sources to make the paper as solid as possible to present

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for the world public.

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Certain bits of information came to me in many surprising ways.

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People following a talk would come up and say, I know something to talk to you about

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and everybody goes away.

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I had one accident case in this regard, a man who had seen the retrieved occupants firsthand

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and he described them to me in certain stances before.

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And this I thought was just a little strange because it came from a pilot who had been in the military

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and had top security clearance.

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And when I got this little information I decided that this was the turning point that I would pursue.

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And I really did.

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Everything to me that had been at one time a rumor or something, 5th, 6th, 8th hand, I went after.

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I took a lot of doing, great, careful, cautious, persistent work.

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And the fact that we came to a 24-hour daily job to pursue many of these loose ends, but I did it.

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And the long story short, by January, February this year I had come up with an amazing amount of material,

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new material, material that has never been known to most researchers before.

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You get into a sensitive area like this, if you get by the one person, sometimes they can relate you to another person

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who may be way over in Timbuktu, but you can eventually get to them.

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Again, being always cautious, diplomatic, and all the other virtues of those with getting information.

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So by April 5th or 6th I had completed my papers.

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And I took a good long second look at everything, wondered should I really do this?

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And I said, oh, I've got it finished, there's all the works. Why not?

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So I informed Walt Andrews, Director of Youth Fund, that I had come this far as the papers ready.

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The mark was top, confidential, and red.

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And asked Walt not to reveal the contents of this paper to no one.

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Even the typist and the printer.

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That's a joke, they got us there.

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Anyway, I had laid some careful groundwork.

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I retained a copy at home, an original copy.

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I turned a copy over to another person unknown to anyone, because something should happen to me,

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or my paper perhaps could be permanent.

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So I had made a lot of groundwork, a lot of little preparations which I won't go into right now to see something happen.

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Then some better amazing things happened.

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And I guess in this particular area I have to tease you because I can't really tell you what happened.

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I feel a little biased by that, but that's the way it is.

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I can say this, it is an extreme sensitive area that I picked on.

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And of course, the subject because I had mentioned before, retrievals of the third kind includes the retrievals of the craft UFO.

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And the occupants.

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I have at this point, I can say, much data on the retrieved gifts, but there's more than one.

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We've always heard of the famous one back in New Mexico, the hashtag prepare, perhaps another one in the west, or three,

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perhaps all of you have heard, these are the form of rumors.

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Well, I have 17 sources of information concerning a number of crashes throughout the United States,

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and it's exclusive of those overseas that I'm aware of.

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These will be presented in my talk in Dayton, and since then I've added eight more sources, which will not be in the paper.

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Some of these sources will be used in the form of a Denda.

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Two of them are so super sensitive, I'm not quite sure at this time if I can use them.

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Well, I'll give it a hundred percent.

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Then there's another source under no circumstances can I reveal.

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But all sums up to this, the information I have right now, surely as I'm standing here, I guess I'm standing here.

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I know this, the real UFO, at least one of them, does absolutely exist, incontrovertibly exist.

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And also I'll say that incontrovertibly we have them.

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We've had them in military custody since 1947.

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That's one retrieval I'm aware of.

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No occupants.

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1948 with occupants.

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1952, 1953, 1957, 1962, 1973, and 1977.

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We have retrieved craft with occupants.

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And there are more.

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Much of this data, and I reiterate, will be revealed in 17 abstracts of paper.

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Possibility of using two, three, perhaps four more.

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And again, I'll say that other information I have, I don't think I'll be able to reveal it because it deals with material referred to as crypto.

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What do you mean by that?

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That's sub-rosion, super secret, above top secret.

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And I've touched the outside with a circle of information.

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I don't think I've gone or said too much. I had planned to say this much.

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And I don't know, it seems to me that it would be futile to go into, at this time of the, with that information, to go into a whole lot of sightings,

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close encounters, live encounters.

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This too will be presented by Ted Losher, who was collected over 1800 close encounter cases in his catalog, live encounters.

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This in itself is extremely interesting.

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Of course, we're very fortunate to have Ted Losher at the Newfound Meeting to be late on that subject.

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In fact, the whole meeting should be interesting.

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Dr. Heineck there, who will again tell us if there's another realm.

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And then Major Kehoe will be there to assure to relate his feelings about the Air Force.

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And then Dick Hall, who is a very well informed researcher.

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The good historian in the subject will be there to relate certain data as I understand it, bearing the significant year of 1967.

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And of course, the title of my subject.

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So it should be a very interesting meeting.

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I talked to Dr. Heineck about a week and a half before he took off for a short vacation in Midland.

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And he was extremely interested in what I, the title of my paper.

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I told him I was not a physician to relate information, especially over the telephone.

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And he seemed really very interested.

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And that we can, of course, realize why a man of his position as a doctor and a spout, and so forth, could not touch on the same subject.

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That's likely because of his scientific position and the fact that he had been top of the scientific assault of the Air Force for 20 years.

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If he were to get up and daringly say the same thing that I planned while I was putting him in the letter of chief of his position.

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So I can appreciate somebody at this state as not being able to talk as freely as I have chosen to do.

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But I decided that I would pull several colleagues here this evening.

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I'm going up there on that stage to present my case, even if I have to crawl up there.

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I plan to go through it.

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Another announcement, again, sort of a tease, that I have one source outside of Ohio who has a, that I consider a major document.

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And he is well aware of what I'm doing. In fact, he was the informant of one of my very important incidents.

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Who, folks, unless he's interfered with, who present this document in support of my claims.

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At this paper, that's what I plan to reveal, all works out as we see it as a, right now.

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It should become a major bit of news for the whole world.

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Certainly provocative, certainly sobering, and use all sorts of adjectives.

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I think a lot depends, Earl and several others discuss this, just what will be the reaction of the media.

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Well, we cannot predict that.

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Earl mentioned that perhaps it may get as far as dating newspapers or the Cincinnati Columbus paper, maybe Ohio.

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And that'll be about it.

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I really don't know how they'll react.

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If there is a reaction to what we present, relate, and it does make APUP, CBS, ABC and NBC.

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I think it will reach proportions of a saucer watergate.

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I think there'll be senatorial investigations, because they're going to have to disprove what I'm saying.

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My only weakness, and I admit this, I confess this in my papers.

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That I have no affidavits to support the information I have.

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In most cases, I cannot use names because of sensitivity to material, which is understandable.

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I cannot be construed by the major media as having a weak case.

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Then it would depend entirely on how reliable I am.

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And hopefully, I have been able to establish, to some degree, some credibility in my 28 years of research.

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Now, again, it'll be a major test. It'll be a major interest to me and everyone, I believe.

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I can anticipate the reaction of the media.

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I can anticipate the reaction of the general researchers in the field.

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And the general public, I wouldn't dare predict.

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But I think the first of all, we have to run over as researchers.

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We do number in the new thousand.

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If we can get things moving there, that's at least something in my favor.

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But again, it's still, we have not convinced the nation we're only talking amongst ourselves.

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This is what we've been doing for years.

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Researchers are talking to researchers.

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What I'm trying to do is get to the public, the masses, the media.

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If I can accomplish that, something is going to have to give.

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So it's going to be a good test.

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I don't know how to predict it.

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I could get shot down in a separate character assassination in the works.

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And I'm willing to go forward and I'll say here now it's two months away and stand that risk.

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Because I believe what I say.

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I know the information I got is from smartly concerned unimpeachable sources.

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But I'm going to go on again.

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I'll say I scrapped my, my talk, which I would normally make.

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I'm just talking at the beginning here right off the top of the head with no really prepared notes.

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Because I feel very sincere in what I'm saying.

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I think without further ado, and I'm going into the life horrors of research and many theories.

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You have both sightings, close encounters and all those interesting things.

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I'm going to throw the meeting over to questions and answers and hopefully I'll try to, I'll try to answer them as honestly as possible.

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Realizing, of course, that there's a lot of information that I cannot relate to you.

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Of course that which is enclosed in my contents in that paper.

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And that's my choice because I have to keep that information confidential because I told you before.

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That it would not be real prior to that.

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Also, the instructions to all handlers to please abide by my wishes.

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And of course I cannot talk about other data that I may use as a dentist.

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So at this point I'll take a little drink of water and we'll throw it open to questions, hopefully answers.

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I'm wondering if in your discourse throughout the times with whatever degree with a news media, are you experiencing or do you sense

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a hidden subversive fear within the operators of the media, operators in the sense of the underlings,

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those who are not in control, who are doing as they are told.

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Do you sense a hidden fear that they must acquiesce, they must kowtow,

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they must work within the defined framework as declared to them?

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Yes. Yes, sir, they do what they're told to do. They're given an assignment.

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The fact is very conceivable that NBC, the major TV, is the major national network program.

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They may have a man there representing NBC but it might be just for the local station.

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But the real test will come if you see any party segment of this art performance on a national network.

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Certainly it's as interesting as some of the other news items they have on the...

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And after all this is rather earth-shaking when I'm trying to relate.

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But they do not use it. It points out something to me.

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Yes, but I would say the people assigned, the irons, the little man, the field man, the cameraman,

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he doesn't really have any choice. He may go back with a beautiful story and he couldn't believe it.

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But it's his boss who makes the decision.

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And he is not necessarily a plumbus or Dayton or Cleveland offices, but he is in Washington or New York.

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He decides what goes on there and whether it's good for the nation to think about.

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And the same thing is true of UPHP.

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There is no question that a local paper in Dayton, Cincinnati, Lameville, Indianapolis, Columbus,

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so forth may pick it up and write a little cute story about it.

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Either they'll treat it sort of objectively with a straight story or they'll have some fun with it.

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They'll resort to them, of course, as green men.

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But in the cases I'm wearing none of these characters, these beings, were described as green.

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And so the answer, yes, I would say it's a local and we really have enough say.

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The reporter could be very objective and extremely interested in how they impressed,

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but doesn't mean he can go back and control his paper.

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We've seen too much of this control through the years and I'm aware of it.

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In about 28 years, the press has at the newsmark level, top levels,

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has been working in coordination with the top agencies in the United States in this regard.

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And so, I think that's why we had the stories on a little man a long time ago.

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We wouldn't have called green men.

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Any details this government have? Are they still living?

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Did they go out for the crash?

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No, I find it easier to deal with the dead ones.

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There was rumors that they had a living one, which I remember hearing on the radio one time,

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when he investigated our program and his name, that they took one off him into a psychiatric hospital or something.

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I've heard rumors too through the years and I truly cannot substantiate that.

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There is some suspicion of mine based on a few reports that I may have one in a living state.

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I cannot prove that.

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That I must relegate to the rumor stage.

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But I'm referring now to those who have deceased and those I know that have.

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All these sauces you have, are they all made of the same type or are they different types?

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Wood variation.

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Wood variation. What about the octopus? Are they the same type of wings or different?

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I can only enter that limit a little right now, but they are generally in size, height, 3.5 to 4.5 feet.

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And generally described similarly with a few features here and there, a little skew from the other.

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I know of your recent involvement in connection with the United Nations and trying to get their involvement.

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And particularly your involvement with the political run around with the different ambassadors and government representatives and one sort or the other.

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You mentioned this evening that there were quite a few possible crashes in the United States not counting the overseas incident.

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What I'm interested in is with your contact with government representatives there at UM in particular, what involvement is there with these various other countries?

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How are they able to keep this super secret?

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They were in many instances cooperatively with the United States and have the same suppression system there as we have here.

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They all had their equivalent of CIA. Many of them are connected with us to NATO. Of course, they work cooperatively there.

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We have had close links with England, Australia, New Zealand, and other countries.

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We depend on us for our technology and where we're going to do proper research and it's going to be very good to work in concerted actions in this area.

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In reference to my work at the United Nations for one week last winter, I was asked by the Prime Minister of Grenada to work with his ambassadors and presenting hopefully at the United Nations 32nd Assembly to introduce a committee, a working group within the United Nations.

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I gave my full support of that. This was known to the United States government and I even advised them on the approach to the anti-Meditation.

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I sat in on all the meetings at UM. I wasn't responsible of all the foreign delegates.

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I knew what was going on sort of behind the scenes. I realized the United States put much pressure right there when they called.

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A commander in the Coast Guard was on the phone at least twice a morning while sitting with the ambassador.

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And some of their comments. Pressure was on heavy.

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They even referred to Grenada as its position as far as human rights in the world.

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There was not too much cooperation why they could always refer to their human rights stand.

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This is a good wedge, a good weapon used against nations if they don't behave according to the way we like.

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This has been Carter's approach now. What about human rights in South Africa? Human rights here and there.

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And the same thing, the same tourniquet was applied to Grenada because there was intelligence information that I was aware of that they were playing Panky with Chile.

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He was communist. I was with the Prime Minister. I was by the Prime Minister sitting on dirt that ran his news conference when he was drilled by two reporters on this.

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He thought it was a matter. He emphatically denied that. He says Grenada's people are highly religious people.

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They have no common affiliations with regards to what the United States may charge.

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I can see through the little thing because what they were doing was playing to work on a very delicate subject, the UFO.

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This was not the time according to the U.S. plan to talk about the UFO or one of the thirty-third, thirty-second assembly medications.

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So we agreed to modify the text of our points and hopefully we'll come back thirty-third assembly in September of the coming year and do it all over again.

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And on this note, the week and a half ago, since the title of my papers had become known, publicly, nationally,

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and word like that gets around pretty fast, believe it.

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I got a call from the ambassador of Grenada.

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He advised me that the Prime Minister, Sir A. Gary, will be in New York for four days.

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And would I please be able to find a way to get to New York and have a private meeting with him?

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I had a decline because at that time my mother was in the hospital, seriously young.

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I had no alternative but to be there and be with her, so I told the ambassador that my circumstances that I could not make it, I regretted it perhaps another time.

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But I knew what the Prime Minister was concerned about was the title of my paper, and he may want to use that once the paper is disclosed in the thirty-third assembly,

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which he would be entitled to, but by that time it would be public college.

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However, what I will not give to the Prime Minister is the additional data that I'm aware of, which is even more sensitive.

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Yes, this is good to...

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Bob Oldridge, I guess everybody, a lot of the people here know I was with NASA.

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I've told them many times that NASA keeps good secrets and that the information that they have sought officially is thin-witely disseminated.

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But you've suggested that there are six, maybe seven, and I didn't count how many of these retrievals.

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But even more than one makes me ask the question that I think you could give some hint about at this time,

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is where these retrievals made at several disparate places across the country and different groups of Air Force personnel involved with each of the retrievals.

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In other words, you might have a team of ten or twenty involved in as many as seven retrievals who have at least one hundred and fifty people.

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I would be aware of the first-hand sighting and confrontation that has to abide by all the security regulations over a large period of time.

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Right.

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Could you...

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We maintain the Manhattan Project with several thousand people and we're very successful in keeping the main bit of information,

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ensuring that projects are way for the public.

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When there were many enemy airs listed in it, and I think we were very successful there,

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and the thousands of people involved in the development of the town were long,

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it's not quite that difficult to maintain around a thousand people involved with top security,

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especially when they ought to sign letters, practically signing their life away,

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that they were to reveal it, and this is not true.

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It is part of the question I'm interested in.

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If you have talked to informants and cut through these informants,

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could you get an idea of how many people might be involved,

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or how many groups of investigators might be involved?

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Well, yes.

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You're going to hone in either now or later.

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I would not have access to the total information or something like that,

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but I'm just lucky what I got.

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I would know that the National Act of Contingent or the people involved,

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whether it's involved in a Colonel's man involving a squad,

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you know, security police officers or whatever team they were.

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This is very difficult to answer because actually it would not be a position to really know the number,

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but I suppose the logistics involved in a retrieval would require a number of people

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with some good muscles and some good machinery to go to them there.

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I could say that could be better.

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I'm guessing, but probably involved in all the retrievals since retrievals began

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would probably not exceed over a thousand people.

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Now, technical people, people in the medical area are specialists in metallurgy,

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whatever, people of that kind.

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These people could be worked with pretty reasonably and would maintain a secret.

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Now, your lucid times would come amongst those who were doing the brawn work,

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heavy work, truck drivers, the what-have-you type.

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But again, these people are available who would be very willing to keep that secret

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and that doesn't exceed a thousand or so.

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I would admit that if you got involved with fifty thousand people,

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it would be pretty difficult to maintain a secret.

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Even with that thousand or slightly more involved,

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I have been able to get information from twenty-seven of them.

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It was limited information, not the entire...

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That's what I was suggesting, but it's not even twenty-seven people.

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This is the one you recently...

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The direction that my government is, to me, in a thousand might be an expanded...

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So I was interested in that, to trust.

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I believe it was a lead cadre, the ships here and there, and every part of the news...

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Well, comment on that too.

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I do believe that we have the lead cadre to specialize in this type of work,

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who move and most knows any area where retrieval is necessary.

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But there would be a lot of control, not only that would be involved,

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but there would be some...

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Yes, this is a reasonable assumption.

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Now, these retrievals, are we to assume that most of these are shopped down

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or a half of them are mechanical failures or what?

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That's a question that I have.

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No one has been able to clarify that.

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I'm assuming that these were due from malfunction.

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Truthfully, no knowledge...

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And I could be wrong.

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No knowledge of any crash UFO would be a result of our firing missiles or whatever.

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That's it.

434
00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:17,820
I'm assuming, therefore, that these were malfunctioning for one reason or another.

435
00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:22,820
Which to me indicates that the real UFO is not an imperfect machine.

436
00:39:22,820 --> 00:39:27,820
I have wondered for many years and early research that the UFOs could make no mistakes.

437
00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:29,820
Therefore, there must be another dimension or whatever.

438
00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:30,820
They just don't make mistakes.

439
00:39:30,820 --> 00:39:34,820
But now I realize that they do have a hidden quality.

440
00:39:34,820 --> 00:39:39,820
These are basically what we call little scout ships all over the country.

441
00:39:39,820 --> 00:39:40,820
Basically, yes.

442
00:39:40,820 --> 00:39:41,820
Big mother ships.

443
00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:42,820
Right, that's correct.

444
00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:47,820
So these may be from Indaroa, Rome intentionally just to provide us a little...

445
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:50,820
Well, I don't think they would...

446
00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:51,820
I don't think that...

447
00:39:51,820 --> 00:39:58,820
Well, I doubt that intentional crash is because in some instances we're aware of the fact that

448
00:39:58,820 --> 00:40:03,820
some of the bodies were charged pretty well burnt.

449
00:40:03,820 --> 00:40:08,820
You know, I can understand the secrecy behind the Manhattan Project,

450
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:16,820
but I don't think that I understand the secrecy behind international security of the downed

451
00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:18,820
craft in their occupants.

452
00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:22,820
Could you speculate or enlighten us in that direction?

453
00:40:22,820 --> 00:40:29,820
It was hilarious one of the questions I had too because I'm aware of a crash in England

454
00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:33,820
and of course the famous Spitzberg case.

455
00:40:33,820 --> 00:40:38,820
Several South American, one possibly in Australia and elsewhere.

456
00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:47,820
And there again, we do have our operatives, foreign countries who are able to get there

457
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:49,820
and offer assistance.

458
00:40:49,820 --> 00:40:57,820
And we do hold, we have held over the many years, a certain amount of power in the world.

459
00:40:57,820 --> 00:41:05,820
If a small nation may consult us, knowing that we do have a technical setup for researching

460
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:07,820
Australia if they consult.

461
00:41:07,820 --> 00:41:16,820
And those who do not really care to correlate with us, cooperate, can always, through our

462
00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:23,820
secret operatives, relate to certain areas of the economy.

463
00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:32,820
We can always use that as a means of helping their economy or otherwise, especially with

464
00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:33,820
small nations.

465
00:41:33,820 --> 00:41:38,820
There are all sorts of ways and means diplomatically and politically and economically that we can

466
00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:45,820
deal with a nation who may want to be recalcitrant in a very sensitive area.

467
00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:50,820
However, on the other hand too, looking at it this way, there's all sorts of ways of looking

468
00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:51,820
at it.

469
00:41:51,820 --> 00:41:56,820
Because the United States has so much technology, especially in the West, we do a lot of testing.

470
00:41:56,820 --> 00:42:01,820
These could be the areas most sensitive because this would be the area they would like to

471
00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:04,820
know what we're doing and keep us under heavy surveillance.

472
00:42:04,820 --> 00:42:10,820
I am aware of the fact too that most of our, some of our most significant close encounters

473
00:42:10,820 --> 00:42:17,820
and landings have occurred on military installations, nuclear installations and missile sites in

474
00:42:17,820 --> 00:42:20,820
the United States and in foreign countries.

475
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:26,820
So if there is curiosity in these areas, there could be a reponderance of those also in these

476
00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:30,820
areas and also whereby a greater chance for a crash instance in which there are sensitive

477
00:42:30,820 --> 00:42:31,820
areas.

478
00:42:31,820 --> 00:42:38,820
I cannot give a positive answer, but this is generally speaking on the how, but where

479
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:39,820
is all the operating involved.

480
00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:46,820
More directly, I was interested in why the need for the security, security, oh.

481
00:42:46,820 --> 00:42:49,820
Well, why is there secrecy?

482
00:42:49,820 --> 00:42:50,820
Right.

483
00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:54,820
That's many, many answers to that one.

484
00:42:54,820 --> 00:43:01,820
One, the old throwback, the CIA laid with there be a cultural shock back in the 50s.

485
00:43:01,820 --> 00:43:04,820
Therefore, public was not prepared for this sort of thing.

486
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:07,820
Therefore, saying a denier thing that's clearly not a spirit result.

487
00:43:07,820 --> 00:43:10,820
The Robertson panel will say nothing, whatever.

488
00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:15,820
What means we need to keep the information down to do it?

489
00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:22,820
Then that would, of course, be ideal to the fear of a cultural shock, psychological panic

490
00:43:22,820 --> 00:43:25,820
or philosophical panic or whatever.

491
00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:30,820
That would be, that's the old popular reason for suppression of such information, which

492
00:43:30,820 --> 00:43:33,820
could have been applicable through the years.

493
00:43:33,820 --> 00:43:39,820
There's another aspect to it, and I'd like to speculate here, that if we've had these

494
00:43:39,820 --> 00:43:46,820
rules of the craft going back as far as 48, 3050s, we certainly would expect our government

495
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:53,820
not to fall through the sleeper to switch, and therefore be some attempt to duplicate

496
00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:58,820
some of the items in there to whatever degree.

497
00:43:58,820 --> 00:44:04,820
And if there were duplications of such pieces of equipment or the craft itself, actually

498
00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:07,820
that would be kept secret, in fact, top secret.

499
00:44:07,820 --> 00:44:13,820
And that would be another reason why there would be secrecy and certainly a valid reason.

500
00:44:13,820 --> 00:44:19,820
Because if we are, as long as we work in competition with Russia, so to speak, and China, why,

501
00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:23,820
they are also gathering information in sort of a contest in that area, so that would be

502
00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:27,820
a very valid reason for keeping information.

503
00:44:27,820 --> 00:44:31,820
It's also possible to think, okay, they have a lot of information concerning about the

504
00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:37,820
craft, and some idea where they're from, being extraterrestrial, they don't know the intent.

505
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:42,820
And if they don't know the intent, and they announced to the public what they knew about

506
00:44:42,820 --> 00:44:46,820
the craft of some degree, and they exist, and a little bit of information about that, and

507
00:44:46,820 --> 00:44:52,820
yes, they were extraterrestrial, but when the press did the information wirely here,

508
00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:56,820
and they couldn't answer it, then this would then create an atmosphere of even more fear

509
00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:59,820
in the public mind, so that would be a good reason.

510
00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:04,820
And all these reasons why there would be secrecy, or take all of them, put them together.

511
00:45:04,820 --> 00:45:09,820
So I believe the National Security Council and the Council on those who make decisions

512
00:45:09,820 --> 00:45:15,820
in this area, we have to consider all those viewpoints in making the decision for secrecy.

513
00:45:15,820 --> 00:45:21,820
And tell, of course, that it's building up now, I think there's a realization at this point

514
00:45:21,820 --> 00:45:26,820
that they can up their opinion longer, and I think they are working on ways and meanings

515
00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:33,820
to bring the public into their confidence, and they may see more of this before the year is up.

516
00:45:33,820 --> 00:45:35,820
Sir, how do people sleep at night?

517
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:39,820
I think there's such an immediate secret stuff that they're so privileged to know,

518
00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:42,820
but yet everyone else is seeing it, but they don't, they just know it exists.

519
00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:44,820
How do they sleep at night? They have a great problem.

520
00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:46,820
You mean the people with the secret?

521
00:45:46,820 --> 00:45:48,820
Right, the people that are sitting back didn't know this.

522
00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:50,820
They know this is going on. How do they sleep?

523
00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:52,820
That's why I can't sleep at night anymore.

524
00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:58,820
I mean, I know I've seen something. I know how I feel. How would all these people?

525
00:45:58,820 --> 00:46:00,820
Well, okay, I think that could be...

526
00:46:00,820 --> 00:46:02,820
How do they be talked about?

527
00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:04,820
That's really self-sufficient.

528
00:46:06,820 --> 00:46:10,820
Yes, that probably has affected some people.

529
00:46:10,820 --> 00:46:18,820
But if you take a hard military man, for example, those who have been in combat, seen death,

530
00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:20,820
all that sort of thing,

531
00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:26,820
has been able to develop a sort of callous attitude toward whatever it is.

532
00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:30,820
You know, if you had to go out and face death and bring a war,

533
00:46:30,820 --> 00:46:37,820
you'd build up a certain amount of immunity to that sort of thing, and you can take it.

534
00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:41,820
Even if it's something so dramatic, something so different than what you're supposed to do.

535
00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:46,820
Well, since I've learned quite a bit here recently, I have felt a little nervous about it,

536
00:46:46,820 --> 00:46:51,820
even though I thought I'd do the answers some year old, my life went up the last 28 years.

537
00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:55,820
But as I mentioned here at the table, this is the last hour.

538
00:46:55,820 --> 00:47:00,820
I feel uneasy and nervous with it, too.

539
00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:07,820
One, would you care to comment about the gender of the PTs?

540
00:47:07,820 --> 00:47:10,820
As you know it? Or is that still...

541
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:12,820
Yeah, it still is.

542
00:47:12,820 --> 00:47:13,820
Sorry, I asked it.

543
00:47:13,820 --> 00:47:18,820
No, it's a good question because I'm trying to learn a little bit more there, too.

544
00:47:18,820 --> 00:47:23,820
And what I have is really not too much.

545
00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:27,820
I mean, if you comment on it, I'm trying to get this from a couple of sources.

546
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:30,820
She said gender, so we know right there.

547
00:47:30,820 --> 00:47:38,820
Yeah, we're assuming, unless they're all clones, that they have the same organs that we do.

548
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:45,820
There seems to be a division of interest, the psyche, the pure UFO and Bigfoot,

549
00:47:45,820 --> 00:47:49,820
and possibly one or two trailing off interests.

550
00:47:49,820 --> 00:47:57,820
It just seems that the great-white father government is only interested in the hardware.

551
00:47:57,820 --> 00:48:01,820
They're not interested in these valid enough reports of Bigfoot.

552
00:48:01,820 --> 00:48:07,820
I agree. We do have valid reports of Bigfoot.

553
00:48:07,820 --> 00:48:14,820
I don't know the relationship, the real relationship between Bigfoot and UFO,

554
00:48:14,820 --> 00:48:21,820
although we admittedly have information that seems to put the two together, the line of two,

555
00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:26,820
in some way we have both sightings in the same procton area of Bigfoot.

556
00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:33,820
But we really don't have any, to my knowledge, at least in Ted Losher's catalogs,

557
00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:38,820
where Bigfoot was seen either leaving the UFO or boarding one,

558
00:48:38,820 --> 00:48:43,820
whereas we do have a little character seen to do these various things.

559
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:52,820
Unless Bigfoot has been designed by them to come here to do a certain thing and make himself known and all that.

560
00:48:52,820 --> 00:48:58,820
So at one time Bigfoot was known only up in the Northern Canada and the Northwest, but that's what.

561
00:48:58,820 --> 00:49:03,820
For the last 15 years Bigfoot has suddenly become ubiquitous.

562
00:49:03,820 --> 00:49:08,820
I mean, he's Pennsylvania and all over the place, he's in Ohio, he's in Oklahoma, he's everywhere.

563
00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:17,820
And that's pretty hard to account for why he became so homely everywhere from his little corner up in the Northwest.

564
00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:24,820
And I cannot account for that unless he, this being, has been developed,

565
00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:29,820
or they had a counterpart to it, or took it and developed it for some reason.

566
00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:31,820
This is a strict speculation.

567
00:49:31,820 --> 00:49:35,820
And then through it all over the United States and do these things, whatever that may be.

568
00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:39,820
I don't know what he's doing, but when he's ever in a dirty retreat, he doesn't really do anything.

569
00:49:39,820 --> 00:49:42,820
He's not constant.

570
00:49:42,820 --> 00:49:48,820
Would you be at all amenable to a guess that Bigfoot is indeed genetic manipulation,

571
00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:54,820
genetic experimentation, genetic engineering on the part of the intelligences?

572
00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:58,820
Yeah, I would say this to see if I had no information to support it.

573
00:49:58,820 --> 00:50:10,820
This was a plan, a mis-conceived idea of certain interested parties in our level that could these hairy creatures be the pilots of these craft?

574
00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:11,820
I don't think the pilots.

575
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:12,820
This is the inference.

576
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:21,820
No, I think the pilots of the craft were the entities that I had described as occupants in my, which I'm describing on paper.

577
00:50:21,820 --> 00:50:31,820
The Bigfoot, if he is a party that would be merely a byproduct of it, would be used for certain reasons perhaps for testing purposes of some kind,

578
00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:35,820
for surveillance purposes that we wouldn't understand.

579
00:50:35,820 --> 00:50:38,820
That is, if that's what the case may be.

580
00:50:38,820 --> 00:50:43,820
But I think we have to go back to the old Indian stories of Sasquatch.

581
00:50:43,820 --> 00:50:48,820
The same things true of Yeti and the lives.

582
00:50:48,820 --> 00:50:51,820
We don't have the old Sasquatch settled yet.

583
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:52,820
He may be a throwback of man.

584
00:50:52,820 --> 00:50:53,820
We don't know.

585
00:50:53,820 --> 00:50:54,820
Maybe a primitive type.

586
00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:56,820
He's been very elusive.

587
00:50:56,820 --> 00:51:03,820
However, the reports, especially those from Pennsylvania, indicate, in Stan Gordon's research,

588
00:51:03,820 --> 00:51:08,820
that there could be something psychic about the Bigfoot's appearance.

589
00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:14,820
It does have lesser toes, I believe, if I'm correct, and the Sasquatch one less toe.

590
00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:25,820
Anyway, these are observed with large glaring eyes and behavioral weapons than the earlier Sasquatch type.

591
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:28,820
And frankly, I don't know how to really account for that.

592
00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:36,820
I mean, it is not sort of part of my research as far as the retrieved UFOs and the occupants.

593
00:51:36,820 --> 00:51:40,820
There's no affinity to my knowledge with the Bigfoot.

594
00:51:40,820 --> 00:51:46,820
Do you agree with Dr. Heineck so far as the relations are concerning?

595
00:51:46,820 --> 00:51:52,820
He feels they have nothing whatsoever to do with any craft or occupants.

596
00:51:52,820 --> 00:51:56,820
That's Dr. Heineck's feeling with respect to this feeling.

597
00:51:56,820 --> 00:52:05,820
It doesn't matter if there were a lurch, you know, by various states in the West, because of the intensity of this movement.

598
00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:06,820
I know.

599
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:14,820
And so much of it was suppressed, logically, not in a certain type of thing that you want to read about in papers every day.

600
00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:18,820
But again, this is mysterious as the Bigfoot.

601
00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:29,820
We have the relation cases, again, sometimes in association with the UFOs and the so-called mystery helicopters.

602
00:52:29,820 --> 00:52:35,820
And there we have no more positive information nor can we make any conclusions.

603
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:41,820
And I think the case must rest there until there is more conclusion.

604
00:52:41,820 --> 00:52:45,820
I certainly don't have any in that area.

605
00:52:45,820 --> 00:52:47,820
I'm very interested.

606
00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:52,820
Are you aware of any duplication of any of the down-cretches?

607
00:52:52,820 --> 00:52:54,820
UFOs by the young government?

608
00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:57,820
Well, I can't come in.

609
00:52:57,820 --> 00:53:00,820
Yeah, again, just to...

610
00:53:00,820 --> 00:53:04,820
I'm trying to find areas where I think you could...

611
00:53:04,820 --> 00:53:11,820
If you don't wish to expand upon here with us, you'll be expected to expand upon in July.

612
00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:26,820
And I'm trying to think of what types of questions you ought to be able to comment in my mind as a result of having talked to 26 people.

613
00:53:26,820 --> 00:53:27,820
Mine, who...

614
00:53:27,820 --> 00:53:32,820
In some way, associated with these retrievals.

615
00:53:32,820 --> 00:53:33,820
If...

616
00:53:33,820 --> 00:53:44,820
And one direction, as I suggested, you could be expected to go is to find out who they knew and how big a group they were working with

617
00:53:44,820 --> 00:53:51,820
and how many areas or what air force bases were involved in any of the investigations.

618
00:53:51,820 --> 00:53:58,820
And I'm not expecting any further answers in that regard, but I think I would expect that in July.

619
00:53:58,820 --> 00:54:00,820
Maybe not.

620
00:54:00,820 --> 00:54:03,820
A new, a new established category.

621
00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:05,820
Maybe not.

622
00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:09,820
Air force bases is a pretty big place.

623
00:54:09,820 --> 00:54:19,820
They're not really tying anybody down very tightly as to who people were talking to you.

624
00:54:19,820 --> 00:54:27,820
But one another way to look at the question then would be not just how many people were involved in the project.

625
00:54:27,820 --> 00:54:35,820
But in the area of establishing the credibility of the people who were talking to you and your mind.

626
00:54:35,820 --> 00:54:46,820
To do that, I think your biggest problem, or I would guess, would be as to whether some individual were involved in some retrieval project

627
00:54:46,820 --> 00:54:53,820
that were highly classified that he guessed was associated with the UFO.

628
00:54:53,820 --> 00:54:55,820
But he didn't really know.

629
00:54:55,820 --> 00:54:57,820
People are very impressionable.

630
00:54:57,820 --> 00:54:59,820
I work for a top secret place.

631
00:54:59,820 --> 00:55:06,820
I came this close to a top secret project and it's pretty tough.

632
00:55:06,820 --> 00:55:15,820
You had to establish in your own mind that the people hadn't misconstrued what they were involved with in doing.

633
00:55:15,820 --> 00:55:18,820
That's the right comment on that.

634
00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:25,820
The other end of the picture is you have to get this path someplace and deposit it.

635
00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:27,820
This is very difficult.

636
00:55:27,820 --> 00:55:28,820
I know.

637
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:29,820
It can be done.

638
00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:32,820
I know that there's anyone.

639
00:55:32,820 --> 00:55:34,820
So that's hilarious.

640
00:55:34,820 --> 00:55:37,820
I do have the names of bases.

641
00:55:37,820 --> 00:55:44,820
Bases where certain things occurred, where the objects were taken,

642
00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:53,820
where they ended up, staging area, what was done, what was seen in that particular area,

643
00:55:53,820 --> 00:56:02,820
where they were sent for some instances for further research, medically.

644
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:09,820
Many instances where a specialist was sent in to check the metals involved.

645
00:56:09,820 --> 00:56:12,820
That is special.

646
00:56:12,820 --> 00:56:19,820
Certainly, a man with that, with a close proximity, a retrieved UFO,

647
00:56:19,820 --> 00:56:25,820
would know whether he was working on a crashed airplane or a disk.

648
00:56:25,820 --> 00:56:31,820
And when a description of the UFO is given, it's precise size, the position of the hatchet,

649
00:56:31,820 --> 00:56:40,820
then the interior, the supporting photographs, the works, which I have, is good enough for me.

650
00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:44,820
Now, again, the weakness that I have is not being able to use his name.

651
00:56:44,820 --> 00:56:51,820
But again, the weight of my case is in the department's material.

652
00:56:51,820 --> 00:56:56,820
If I were to come out with three or four cases, it wouldn't be quite as strong,

653
00:56:56,820 --> 00:57:02,820
but hopefully not being able to use the names in most of the better instances, it's understandable.

654
00:57:02,820 --> 00:57:05,820
They'll have to go along with this.

655
00:57:05,820 --> 00:57:10,820
Who, who breach your promise there would be something I wouldn't do,

656
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:13,820
whether I got my name spirit or not.

657
00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:20,820
I think what I'm doing at this stage is something no one else has ever attempted to do.

658
00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:25,820
And I feel like doing this much is the beginning, and there's always a possibility that,

659
00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:31,820
at a later date, maybe a month after that, two months, fall,

660
00:57:31,820 --> 00:57:36,820
I'll present a second paper to certain channels with additional information,

661
00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:38,820
perhaps even the names.

662
00:57:38,820 --> 00:57:42,820
Because I tell you this, I feel as though the climate is changing,

663
00:57:42,820 --> 00:57:46,820
and that there may be more revealed in the new course,

664
00:57:46,820 --> 00:57:50,820
and perhaps I might be in a position to reveal some of it.

665
00:57:50,820 --> 00:57:55,820
I think I know who you mean. I met them.

666
00:57:55,820 --> 00:57:57,820
I talked with them.

667
00:57:57,820 --> 00:58:00,820
They've explored their theories in this regard.

668
00:58:00,820 --> 00:58:03,820
They've been very clear about the theory of the climate.

669
00:58:03,820 --> 00:58:06,820
They've been very clear about the climate.

670
00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:08,820
They've been very clear about the climate.

671
00:58:08,820 --> 00:58:10,820
They've been very clear about the climate.

672
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:12,820
They've been very clear about the climate.

673
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:14,820
They've been very clear about the climate.

674
00:58:14,820 --> 00:58:16,820
They've been very clear about the climate.

675
00:58:16,820 --> 00:58:23,820
I talked with them. They've explored their theories in this regard at a conference in Chicago,

676
00:58:23,820 --> 00:58:26,820
conducted by Dr. Heineck, sort of a closed-door meeting.

677
00:58:26,820 --> 00:58:28,820
I was privileged to attend that.

678
00:58:28,820 --> 00:58:31,820
I listened to the Greek discourse in this area,

679
00:58:31,820 --> 00:58:34,820
which to me was very intriguing, however I'm not a physicist,

680
00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:43,820
and more what I understand, that their suggestions, their ideas were sound or otherwise,

681
00:58:43,820 --> 00:58:45,820
certainly sounded good to me.

682
00:58:45,820 --> 00:58:50,820
But I would not be in a position to criticize their theories.

683
00:58:50,820 --> 00:59:01,820
And certainly what they had posed, at least, was seemingly understood by those in the qualified area,

684
00:59:01,820 --> 00:59:03,820
to look good to them.

685
00:59:03,820 --> 00:59:11,820
People in a position as physicists to consider their matters and papers to look good.

686
00:59:11,820 --> 00:59:13,820
I mean, that's about all I can say.

687
00:59:13,820 --> 00:59:20,820
But I'm aware of these two genres, which are the papers.

688
00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:25,820
In regards to the ETs, do you have much evidence of medical examination,

689
00:59:25,820 --> 00:59:29,820
all the fact that they may have the same type of flesh and blood that we have?

690
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:31,820
So for anything that...

691
00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:38,820
I'm aware of certain details of the general configuration

692
00:59:38,820 --> 00:59:48,820
and certain appearance, facial appearance of the being.

693
00:59:48,820 --> 00:59:55,820
But this time I could reveal nothing medically about the being.

694
00:59:55,820 --> 00:59:57,820
Maybe sometime in the future.

695
00:59:57,820 --> 01:00:04,820
But right now, little I know, I prefer not to mention, and I have the possibility of learning more.

696
01:00:04,820 --> 01:00:07,820
This is the very vital area to me.

697
01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:17,820
And a little I know, I better not reveal, but who have a drawing here that I've made is a composite of the...

698
01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:22,820
I can't let you have your duplication at this time.

699
01:00:22,820 --> 01:00:33,820
But this is a composite of the facial features of the feature of the entity,

700
01:00:33,820 --> 01:00:38,820
generally speaking, with a little give and take here and there.

701
01:00:38,820 --> 01:00:43,820
And I think I might be in a position to comment on that in about two more months.

702
01:00:43,820 --> 01:00:46,820
Am I allowed to ask you one question?

703
01:00:46,820 --> 01:00:49,820
The way they breathe, they breathe like we do.

704
01:00:49,820 --> 01:00:51,820
That I've done that.

705
01:00:51,820 --> 01:00:53,820
That I've done that.

706
01:00:53,820 --> 01:00:56,820
I can stand here and conjecture a lot of things.

707
01:00:56,820 --> 01:01:02,820
And my guess would be guesses, and they could be completely wrong,

708
01:01:02,820 --> 01:01:04,820
they're wrong, and it's where I'd be misleading.

709
01:01:04,820 --> 01:01:09,820
And I'd rather be reticent in these areas than come out sensationalized.

710
01:01:09,820 --> 01:01:11,820
I think I've been handled up.

711
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:14,820
I think I've sensationalized already when bringing up the subject,

712
01:01:14,820 --> 01:01:16,820
without giving me any more details.

713
01:01:16,820 --> 01:01:20,820
But hopefully in time, at least by July 29th,

714
01:01:20,820 --> 01:01:27,820
I will have even more data to put in my roundup for the wide depth of the papers

715
01:01:27,820 --> 01:01:28,820
than I have now.

716
01:01:28,820 --> 01:01:31,820
I'm not leaving this open how I'm going to end my...

717
01:01:31,820 --> 01:01:35,820
Yeah, because the reason I asked you that is the one thing that I saw in the sign I had.

718
01:01:35,820 --> 01:01:39,820
But I could see like, were we normally we breathe far enough,

719
01:01:39,820 --> 01:01:42,820
I could see, you know, part right through here would be gone back and forth,

720
01:01:42,820 --> 01:01:44,820
but we're breathing somehow through here.

721
01:01:44,820 --> 01:01:45,820
And that's right.

722
01:01:45,820 --> 01:01:46,820
And that's right.

723
01:01:46,820 --> 01:01:47,820
As my home.

724
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:49,820
Well, I don't think anyone really could.

725
01:01:49,820 --> 01:01:52,820
At this time, we can only conjecture.

726
01:01:52,820 --> 01:01:58,820
Again, if the intelligence is so far advanced over us,

727
01:01:58,820 --> 01:02:00,820
in so many ways, technically,

728
01:02:00,820 --> 01:02:04,820
it probably would also be advanced in the areas of psychics.

729
01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:07,820
And having possession of that gift,

730
01:02:07,820 --> 01:02:11,820
it would probably be controlling our minds,

731
01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:14,820
letting us see what they wanted to see for winter,

732
01:02:14,820 --> 01:02:16,820
while to your purpose, they had in their minds,

733
01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:18,820
they're thinking their right now,

734
01:02:18,820 --> 01:02:23,820
and could have mesmerized you or put you in a thought-control position

735
01:02:23,820 --> 01:02:27,820
or you were putting it together based on their control of your mind.

736
01:02:27,820 --> 01:02:29,820
I've got to make myself clear.

737
01:02:29,820 --> 01:02:35,820
But the belief, my belief is that they do have the power to control the mind

738
01:02:35,820 --> 01:02:38,820
because in most encounter cases, they don't really talk,

739
01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:40,820
they don't talk for anyone.

740
01:02:40,820 --> 01:02:43,820
And the preponderance of the cases that I've investigated,

741
01:02:43,820 --> 01:02:46,820
apart from what I know about the low-medium creatures,

742
01:02:46,820 --> 01:02:49,820
but they don't talk, they don't verbalize.

743
01:02:49,820 --> 01:02:55,820
I've had descriptions given to me by people who have had contact or whatever,

744
01:02:55,820 --> 01:02:58,820
what you call it, close encounters, very close,

745
01:02:58,820 --> 01:03:01,820
with psychic effects of the whole world.

746
01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:07,820
And descriptions there would fall precisely in line with what you're relating.

747
01:03:07,820 --> 01:03:14,820
People will have effects when they see everything in mathematical equations for weeks.

748
01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:23,820
They'll see the ocean, the ocean in red, sky-green, everything in opposites

749
01:03:23,820 --> 01:03:25,820
or in blocks or whatever.

750
01:03:25,820 --> 01:03:28,820
There's all these, the phantasmagorical, the whole world.

751
01:03:28,820 --> 01:03:29,820
All this is kind of...

752
01:03:29,820 --> 01:03:33,820
And complete disarray as a fantasy.

753
01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:36,820
And we cannot account for that, and I certainly can't.

754
01:03:36,820 --> 01:03:43,820
But these are cases that I'm sure that are being looked into by, hopefully by a hiding group someday.

755
01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:50,820
I hope that our scientists will say that we're doing a study from another realm or whatever

756
01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:56,820
that they can put some of this together and form a pattern so that we will know something someday

757
01:03:56,820 --> 01:03:58,820
and just talk about it all the time.

758
01:03:58,820 --> 01:04:00,820
I hope we can find a pattern for this though.

759
01:04:01,820 --> 01:04:04,820
Yeah, but see, when the study began, my home was being lit up.

760
01:04:04,820 --> 01:04:06,820
This was a half hour before I ever had the study.

761
01:04:06,820 --> 01:04:08,820
And my son came home, he was in another room.

762
01:04:08,820 --> 01:04:10,820
What did you see originally?

763
01:04:10,820 --> 01:04:11,820
What did I see originally?

764
01:04:11,820 --> 01:04:13,820
I saw my home being lit up.

765
01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:15,820
I didn't take that seriously.

766
01:04:15,820 --> 01:04:16,820
I thought it was an unusual storm.

767
01:04:16,820 --> 01:04:17,820
I was in the house.

768
01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:20,820
And the light would come through the windows.

769
01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:22,820
It would be like a wide width and come up.

770
01:04:22,820 --> 01:04:25,820
There wouldn't be any point to come up to about that wide, you know, at the top.

771
01:04:25,820 --> 01:04:29,820
And it would light up two-thirds of the room, all the way through the hallway and all of them.

772
01:04:29,820 --> 01:04:30,820
I didn't take it seriously.

773
01:04:30,820 --> 01:04:32,820
I thought it was an unusual storm.

774
01:04:32,820 --> 01:04:33,820
So I began to walk around.

775
01:04:33,820 --> 01:04:37,820
Normally when I look at a book or something, I'll always cut the TV on while I'm doing it.

776
01:04:37,820 --> 01:04:38,820
And I'll pay you a titsho.

777
01:04:38,820 --> 01:04:39,820
But it wouldn't work.

778
01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:41,820
I didn't take it seriously.

779
01:04:41,820 --> 01:04:43,820
My son came home when he was going to the drive-in.

780
01:04:43,820 --> 01:04:45,820
He said, Mom, I stayed for the luncheon.

781
01:04:45,820 --> 01:04:47,820
I decided I wouldn't stay for that late show.

782
01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:48,820
I don't know why.

783
01:04:48,820 --> 01:04:50,820
But he didn't say it was unusually dark out that night.

784
01:04:50,820 --> 01:04:53,820
And I said, Well, didn't you see the light in the light in the town?

785
01:04:53,820 --> 01:04:54,820
He says, No, I didn't see the drive-in.

786
01:04:54,820 --> 01:04:55,820
I didn't notice anything.

787
01:04:55,820 --> 01:04:58,820
So if he comes in, I said, Well, get the radio.

788
01:04:58,820 --> 01:05:02,820
And we checked to see if even that one station has that crazy static on.

789
01:05:02,820 --> 01:05:03,820
We couldn't even get that.

790
01:05:03,820 --> 01:05:04,820
I couldn't be throwing a phone.

791
01:05:04,820 --> 01:05:06,820
I still didn't take it seriously.

792
01:05:06,820 --> 01:05:10,820
But when he went to his room, I went to the door and the lights were on the other side of the street.

793
01:05:10,820 --> 01:05:11,820
I opened the door.

794
01:05:11,820 --> 01:05:12,820
I started to look up.

795
01:05:12,820 --> 01:05:15,820
And it was the, there was like a street called Alexander.

796
01:05:15,820 --> 01:05:17,820
And Catty Corner from where I was standing.

797
01:05:17,820 --> 01:05:21,820
And the second street, like the metal itself was white and glaring.

798
01:05:21,820 --> 01:05:22,820
And it lit up.

799
01:05:22,820 --> 01:05:23,820
Not the bulb, but the metal.

800
01:05:23,820 --> 01:05:24,820
And I didn't take that seriously.

801
01:05:24,820 --> 01:05:27,820
There was like two blue blobs or something.

802
01:05:27,820 --> 01:05:30,820
And they looked like they were, I didn't even take them seriously.

803
01:05:30,820 --> 01:05:34,820
And because I thought, well, all the electrical boxes, they put up, you know, it's nothing fancy.

804
01:05:34,820 --> 01:05:35,820
So I didn't take it seriously.

805
01:05:35,820 --> 01:05:37,820
And all of a sudden it would like get light.

806
01:05:37,820 --> 01:05:38,820
You wouldn't see anything.

807
01:05:38,820 --> 01:05:39,820
It got dark again.

808
01:05:39,820 --> 01:05:43,820
There were three out in Catty Corner from where I was standing across the street.

809
01:05:43,820 --> 01:05:44,820
I didn't take that seriously.

810
01:05:44,820 --> 01:05:48,820
But then as I started to look at the screen, assuming all the street lights were coming on,

811
01:05:48,820 --> 01:05:50,820
because all of a sudden there were these great big circles, white line.

812
01:05:50,820 --> 01:05:52,820
I didn't see they were lined with the street.

813
01:05:52,820 --> 01:05:55,820
Then I thought, well, that's too perfect a situation.

814
01:05:55,820 --> 01:06:00,820
And as I started to turn back and unhook the top of the screen, that's when I saw the nine solid disc.

815
01:06:00,820 --> 01:06:05,820
And just as I started to unhook the screen, more or less, to go out and look, I didn't touch the screen.

816
01:06:05,820 --> 01:06:08,820
Because my picture went right next to it, like came to a glare.

817
01:06:08,820 --> 01:06:11,820
And normally I would want a carl drive up to just unhook the door.

818
01:06:11,820 --> 01:06:14,820
As I started to reach your door, my screen began to disappear.

819
01:06:14,820 --> 01:06:16,820
And I didn't touch the door then.

820
01:06:16,820 --> 01:06:18,820
Because something's sitting at real fast.

821
01:06:18,820 --> 01:06:22,820
It looked like a lot of hands shutting a lot of windows with a lot of street red hair.

822
01:06:22,820 --> 01:06:26,820
And as they were shutting the window, they were shutting from the right to the left,

823
01:06:26,820 --> 01:06:28,820
while it would be like from here to here to me.

824
01:06:28,820 --> 01:06:29,820
And it still happened.

825
01:06:29,820 --> 01:06:30,820
I didn't believe what I was seeing.

826
01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:31,820
It's like there's no way.

827
01:06:31,820 --> 01:06:36,820
And as I said that, it slipped off with a funny scraping, like a car scraping a bush.

828
01:06:36,820 --> 01:06:38,820
And they had a buzzing sound, like in unison.

829
01:06:38,820 --> 01:06:41,820
But they were going up and down all at one time, the same unison theory.

830
01:06:41,820 --> 01:06:46,820
And as I turned around, you could see like a ranish orange light hit my closet door.

831
01:06:46,820 --> 01:06:47,820
And it was right where I was standing.

832
01:06:47,820 --> 01:06:49,820
And as I said, no way.

833
01:06:49,820 --> 01:06:51,820
And turned around, Michael from the other room said,

834
01:06:51,820 --> 01:06:52,820
I already put the radio away.

835
01:06:52,820 --> 01:06:54,820
And I said, I'm already talking to you.

836
01:06:54,820 --> 01:06:56,820
And I thought, well, who do I think I was talking to?

837
01:06:56,820 --> 01:07:00,820
And then when I turned back, assuming it would be gone, there was like a black thing,

838
01:07:00,820 --> 01:07:02,820
like a pulsating water.

839
01:07:02,820 --> 01:07:03,820
I had to say that.

840
01:07:03,820 --> 01:07:05,820
It could have been black water or anything.

841
01:07:05,820 --> 01:07:07,820
It would look more like a seashore, all black.

842
01:07:07,820 --> 01:07:09,820
But it was like pulsating.

843
01:07:09,820 --> 01:07:13,820
Like, you know, these things that the carlons and stuff could walk in.

844
01:07:13,820 --> 01:07:14,820
And like a glow.

845
01:07:14,820 --> 01:07:16,820
When I tried to look up, it was just like black glare.

846
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:18,820
And I probably assumed it was sky.

847
01:07:18,820 --> 01:07:23,820
You know, but there were like a lot of, or like yellowish type eyes in this thing.

848
01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:28,820
And I kept, and I looked to the right, and there was some kind of figure with the appendages at the top.

849
01:07:28,820 --> 01:07:31,820
And it was standing with these funny things like this.

850
01:07:31,820 --> 01:07:32,820
And I'm looking at it.

851
01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:35,820
I had white, white in the eye part, and the slit.

852
01:07:35,820 --> 01:07:39,820
And I'm thinking, I don't understand, because about that time it took a change.

853
01:07:39,820 --> 01:07:42,820
It looked like, you know how you see a cat purring in a body of moon?

854
01:07:42,820 --> 01:07:44,820
It took like a body of cat, but no head.

855
01:07:44,820 --> 01:07:46,820
Just a funny look.

856
01:07:46,820 --> 01:07:48,820
And I thought, you know, I thought, don't leave.

857
01:07:48,820 --> 01:07:50,820
I just want to know what this is about.

858
01:07:50,820 --> 01:07:53,820
And then as it did that, it went into this black that was pulsating here.

859
01:07:53,820 --> 01:07:55,820
And then all these eyes were near it.

860
01:07:55,820 --> 01:07:57,820
And I kept thinking, I don't understand, you know.

861
01:07:57,820 --> 01:08:02,820
And then I just like, the one eye would go, they would all go.

862
01:08:02,820 --> 01:08:04,820
Just like steps and blocks on a pyramid or something.

863
01:08:04,820 --> 01:08:06,820
All would go at one time, right?

864
01:08:06,820 --> 01:08:07,820
And you understand?

865
01:08:07,820 --> 01:08:08,820
And it stayed the longest.

866
01:08:08,820 --> 01:08:14,820
And after that, it was like, there was a projection of a plane and someone getting on with a briefcase.

867
01:08:14,820 --> 01:08:16,820
And they had a light thin.

868
01:08:16,820 --> 01:08:20,820
It was a type suit that was hanging very fine.

869
01:08:20,820 --> 01:08:23,820
Not like a knit, but like a non-type thing, when it hang flat.

870
01:08:23,820 --> 01:08:25,820
But there's one thing different.

871
01:08:25,820 --> 01:08:28,820
A plane ladder had no things where it was solid.

872
01:08:28,820 --> 01:08:30,820
It was like it was hanging like a rope, but it didn't move.

873
01:08:30,820 --> 01:08:33,820
It was hard like a metal pole would be.

874
01:08:33,820 --> 01:08:36,820
And you saw the person projecting on it, and like walking up on it.

875
01:08:36,820 --> 01:08:43,820
About that time, my son's name was mentioned, and it felt like a hit on my neck, just like you take your arm and start.

876
01:08:43,820 --> 01:08:48,820
And as I did that, I was standing back at the door, and then I said, you know how you see it, and you don't believe it.

877
01:08:48,820 --> 01:08:50,820
So I said, Father, please help me see them again.

878
01:08:50,820 --> 01:08:57,820
As I said that, I saw that it looked like the clouds opened up, and you saw one shape metal disc with a smaller one.

879
01:08:57,820 --> 01:09:02,820
And there was a black line around the middle, but I only saw halfway with a black circle underneath it.

880
01:09:02,820 --> 01:09:05,820
And then after that, there was an un-fair unusual lightning bolt.

881
01:09:05,820 --> 01:09:07,820
It looked like a Herculean thing on TV.

882
01:09:07,820 --> 01:09:15,820
And I thought, well, this thing goes down to where everything's really going to get, you know, something will happen.

883
01:09:15,820 --> 01:09:16,820
What were your sons?

884
01:09:16,820 --> 01:09:18,820
He was in bed.

885
01:09:18,820 --> 01:09:19,820
He didn't hear a thing.

886
01:09:19,820 --> 01:09:25,820
He didn't hear a thing, and I didn't even mention it to him, because I figured he's not going to believe this.

887
01:09:25,820 --> 01:09:28,820
What interval did all this take? What time left?

888
01:09:28,820 --> 01:09:32,820
Well, all started like he came home to drive it earlier and didn't say as late as he should have.

889
01:09:32,820 --> 01:09:36,820
So what if the homeless thing left made him say 12, 30, 20 to 1?

890
01:09:36,820 --> 01:09:39,820
And at 10 after 1, I had the actual lightning.

891
01:09:39,820 --> 01:09:40,820
AMCM.

892
01:09:40,820 --> 01:09:43,820
It was AM, 16th of July, 1976.